"It was out of the blue. Funny story, I was actually at work and I got a call from my manager and I sort of saw it on my phone and hung up on him... I was like 'oh I'll worry about that at the end of the day!'.

SANFL-star-turned-Saint Jack Hayes joins the latest episode of the Sounds of the Saints podcast to chat about his unexpected arrival at RSEA Park, keeping the news of his signing a well-kept secret plus more.

Listen to the full episode via the media player below or on Spotify.

Episode guide

1:10 - From the SANFL to the Saints and the call which changed it all
5:40 - A matter of 'if', not 'when'
7:45 -  Some fellow SA advocates
9:03 - Forward or ruck?
13:39 - Jack Hayes answers the fans' questions (including if he's related to Lenny)